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Tom Beakbane's avatar

Joomi, please stop being so clear and intelligent. You are making the big pharma companies, the CDC and the FDA look stupid or malevolent or both.

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Thanks for the article. I hadn't noticed the paper and will have to give it a read.

Disequilibrium between pro-inflammatory and anti-inflammatory cytokine cascades is one of the mechanisms, along with telomere length, by which you might get the outcome of increased tissue healing at the expense of increased tendency towards cancer. I'm glad you pointed to Bret here. I immediately thought of his dissertation work when I read your title. I'm sure you know, but I'll point out that the same forces which caused this outcome in lab mice would be present in any laboratory animal, including these primates.

It would be interesting to know to what extent primates are compromised in this way. Since their lifespans are longer these evolutionary pressures have had fewer generations to affect them. Having said that, one could argue that the pressure would be stronger in primates. As primates are more expensive to maintain and have fewer children, there is a greater need to get as many offspring as possible from them while they're young. This is of course the same pattern that lead to the observed healing and cancer outcome in mice. My guess is that they wouldn't be as affected as mice, but that the economics of lab animals would be pushing them in a similar direction.

From my experience, the degree to which different control genotypes vary is shocking. I worked with drosophila as an undergraduate and several times had to run comparison experiments with flies from the same genotype from separate labs across the US. There were *always* significant differences between groups. This in a genetic lab that was very serious and thorough about the genetic background. Mouse labs are terrible with genetic controls in comparison. Unfortunately, this is only one of the major flaws undermining the foundation of scientific research.

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